I didn’t know we were talking about vlogging. Actually I don’t know any pro compact with a microphone jack, not even Panasonic LX15 or LX100 II have one. If you really need a camera for professional vlogging, then mirrorless is probably the right choice.

For photography it just doesn’t make any sense to spend $500 on a shitty kit lens when you could have a pro compact with a much better build-in-lens for the same money.

Of course you can use a good lens with the mirrorless, but that means you’re gonna spend $1500, not $500.

If you buy the mirrorless now to maybe get a real lens later, that won’t happen 95% of the time. And if you find out you are one of the 5%, you will be happy to have a very decent second camera and also you don’t have to hold back on Full Frame cause u already have some APS-C or MFT body. That’s the best “upgrade path” 😉

Hah, I’m an idiot 🙂 I tend to lean mirrorless for portability since I travel so much and with lots of gear as it is plus really like the video the Panasonics produce out of the box.

I agree with what you’re saying though, it’s a big grey area in terms of price, there’s a lot of overlap and of course phones jumping in too. Though I disagree the pro compacts are better in every way (missing the headphone jack on the RX100 is a big one).

For many people though, these distinctions are not important. Mostly, if you’re looking for a point and shoot for a trip, you’re probably not looking at anything else. But if you’re up at $500, then some of those people might be enticed to spend relatively the same amount but go with a more versatile camera. If you’re will to jump up in form factor (the bulkier device) you might do it but if you definitely don’t want bigger, than for many people sticking to a phone vs. the point and shoot is probably money best saved for more traveling 🙂

I guess I wrote gibberish, cause u understood just the opposite of what I was saying 😉

Panasonic G7 and G85 with kit lens are inferior in every way to a pro compact like Canon G7X or Sony RX100 or Panasonic LX15.

Unless u spend at least as much on lenses as on the body (better twice as much), there’s no reason to get a mirrorless.

If you get a Micro Four Thirds like you suggest, you pretty much have to buy the Panasonic 12-35mm f2.8 or Olympus 12-40 mm f/2.8 for around $900 unless you shoot mostly with prime lenses. Otherwise what’s the point compared to a pro point and shoot?

Of course if you spend all that dough, you have to ask yourself why you didn’t just get a Panasonic LX100 II, which is better in every way.

I’m biased of course. I use a Canon G7X,. Smartphones don’t even come close yet. Smartphones will probably catch up once they come with 9+ sensors.

I agree – though unless you stay in the mirorrless realm you can find some like the Lumix G7 or G85 even which drops down to $500 with the Panasonic lens. It’s like you say though, the case for a point & shoot is becoming less compelling for most people at those prices. Usually it’s people with an older phone or who feel they “need” a camera for a trip, when often a smartphone will do as well, if not better for those purposes.

Agreed, good point and shoots like Canon G7X or Sony RX100 will be $500 or more.

But a slightly bulkier camera with lens options will be 4 figures.

Unless of course you stick with the kit lens, but then you are better of with a smaller compact camera, both for size and image quality.