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		By: Anil Polat		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anil Polat]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Feb 2010 10:44:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://foxnomad.com/2010/01/08/the-secret-underworld-of-turkish-germany/#comment-72571&quot;&gt;blq&lt;/a&gt;.

I&#039;ll be there in a few weeks actually.

There is the issue of racism but the underworld is how little many of the Germans I&#039;ve met know about the Turkish German culture. There is more of a divide here than there is in the US certainly and in some places, bars, and clubs you might not be allowed in based on your nationality or ethnicity. That may happen in the US but wouldn&#039;t be tolerated legally. 

I&#039;m getting some more articles about this topic ready as I travel around Germany and I&#039;m glad it&#039;s brought up an interesting discussion.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://foxnomad.com/2010/01/08/the-secret-underworld-of-turkish-germany/#comment-72571">blq</a>.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll be there in a few weeks actually.</p>
<p>There is the issue of racism but the underworld is how little many of the Germans I&#8217;ve met know about the Turkish German culture. There is more of a divide here than there is in the US certainly and in some places, bars, and clubs you might not be allowed in based on your nationality or ethnicity. That may happen in the US but wouldn&#8217;t be tolerated legally. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m getting some more articles about this topic ready as I travel around Germany and I&#8217;m glad it&#8217;s brought up an interesting discussion.</p>
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		By: blq		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Feb 2010 20:09:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Interesting. I was in Germany in 2009 summer and fall;before visiting Germany I was aware of some of the history between the Turkish and German people. I&#039;m guessing you made it to Neukölln? 
In terms of the secret Turkish underworld are you pointing towards the issues of issues of racism, with notions of Germany&#039;s Turkish citizens being treated in Germany still as the &quot;other&quot;?  
In general, America is not that intergrated...it just imagines itself to be. Mostly, intergration seems to take place in the form of America&#039;s popular culture instead of it&#039;s identity as a global melting pot.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting. I was in Germany in 2009 summer and fall;before visiting Germany I was aware of some of the history between the Turkish and German people. I&#8217;m guessing you made it to Neukölln?<br />
In terms of the secret Turkish underworld are you pointing towards the issues of issues of racism, with notions of Germany&#8217;s Turkish citizens being treated in Germany still as the &#8220;other&#8221;?<br />
In general, America is not that intergrated&#8230;it just imagines itself to be. Mostly, intergration seems to take place in the form of America&#8217;s popular culture instead of it&#8217;s identity as a global melting pot.</p>
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		By: Anil Polat		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anil Polat]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jan 2010 19:34:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://foxnomad.com/2010/01/08/the-secret-underworld-of-turkish-germany/#comment-70079&quot;&gt;Donna Hull&lt;/a&gt;.

The longer I stay here the more I see how various groups do and don&#039;t integrate (or want to). Some are very much a part of the German culture while many try to remain separate, I think there is inevitable overlap of the cultures. With each generation it changes too, thinking back on the Italian, Irish, and other US immigrants who were rather quite separate during the early 1900s and now part of the larger American culture while adding to it in their unique way.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://foxnomad.com/2010/01/08/the-secret-underworld-of-turkish-germany/#comment-70079">Donna Hull</a>.</p>
<p>The longer I stay here the more I see how various groups do and don&#8217;t integrate (or want to). Some are very much a part of the German culture while many try to remain separate, I think there is inevitable overlap of the cultures. With each generation it changes too, thinking back on the Italian, Irish, and other US immigrants who were rather quite separate during the early 1900s and now part of the larger American culture while adding to it in their unique way.</p>
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		By: Donna Hull		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jan 2010 14:30:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I had no idea about German Turks. Looking forward to hearing more of your perspective during your stay in Germany and Berlin. 

On the topic of how well an immigrant population integrates into a country&#039;s society, I think it all depends on how much the immigrant population wants to be assimilated. That&#039;s my observation from watching immigrants to the U.S. Some embrace the country and rapidly adjust while other cultures want to remain separate. Those that tend to isolate themselves in their own traditions and customs have a much harder time.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had no idea about German Turks. Looking forward to hearing more of your perspective during your stay in Germany and Berlin. </p>
<p>On the topic of how well an immigrant population integrates into a country&#8217;s society, I think it all depends on how much the immigrant population wants to be assimilated. That&#8217;s my observation from watching immigrants to the U.S. Some embrace the country and rapidly adjust while other cultures want to remain separate. Those that tend to isolate themselves in their own traditions and customs have a much harder time.</p>
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		By: Anil Polat		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anil Polat]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jan 2010 11:43:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://foxnomad.com/2010/01/08/the-secret-underworld-of-turkish-germany/#comment-69437&quot;&gt;Nisha&lt;/a&gt;.

Most people outside of Germany (who aren&#039;t Turkish or German) I&#039;ve spoken to had no idea there were so many Turks in Germany.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://foxnomad.com/2010/01/08/the-secret-underworld-of-turkish-germany/#comment-69437">Nisha</a>.</p>
<p>Most people outside of Germany (who aren&#8217;t Turkish or German) I&#8217;ve spoken to had no idea there were so many Turks in Germany.</p>
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